霓虹311消息JZ

7461= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:49:00

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Thursday, March 17, 2011

Things get worse before they get better (PART 2)

So let’s get started with the details.? I’ve got coffee this time.

Do you want the good news or the bad news first?? The bad news is (as usual) longer, and comes with more explanations.? Let’s go 1-2-4-3; it’s a little more efficient to explain that way.? (I saw one person on FB refer to my first post as “balls long” I’m afraid I have to agree.? I try to be less long-winded but it usually doesn’t happen.)

Fukushima One Unit 1?

I said above that the status remains unchanged, which is actually right where it should be according to physics.? Here’s why:

When we last left things, the fuel in the reactor was partially underwater but partially poking out.? And you remember we need to get more water in there to cool down the fuel, because it’s producing some heat.? With no water to carry the heat away, it’s starting to overheat, and more and more of the fuel pins are splitting open.? So they were pumping in seawater.? Great!? Things should be fixed by now, right?

Except the fuel is *so* hot that as you pump water in, it is turning to steam very quickly.? The fuel is getting cooled down (it’s pushing a lot of its heat into making all that steam), but the water levels aren’t rising yet.? This is expected!? It’s a lot of heat – remember the cladding around the fuel doesn’t start to fail until around 2200 degrees F, and we know we have failed fuel, so it probably started out at least that hot before they started pumping seawater.? It takes a lot of water to bring that temperature down. [3]

So in this case “no change” is just fine.? We’d be worried if the water levels were dropping, because that would mean we weren’t pumping water fast enough to keep up with the fuel.

While they are pumping, they are continuing to do planned releases of slightly-radioactive steam into the reactor building.? What about more hydrogen explosions, you say?? Well, the top already blew off the building, so it’s probably pretty well ventilated.? I’d say the chances of another hydrogen explosion in Unit 1 are slim.

Fukushima One Unit 2?

Good news first:? The water levels in Unit 2 are rising; they were previously very very low [2], but are currently higher than halfway up the fuel.? [1]

The gases coming from Unit 2 contain some specific isotopes that tell us there is definitely failed fuel in that reactor.? That’s not much of a surprise; Unit 2 had a harder time getting the seawater cooling up and running than either Unit 1 or Unit 3.? Also as we suspected in the last post, it appears the hydrogen explosion in Unit 2 knocked a hole in something.

Unlike Unit 1 and Unit 3, Unit 2’s explosion was not in the shed at the top of the reactor building.? It was in a thing called a suppression pool.? The suppression pool is one of the safety systems in the reactor; it’s meant to help keep the pressure down inside the concrete containment structure.[**]? Here’s a handy diagram, courtesy of a presentation put together by the Penn State American Nuclear Society Student Section.? (I’ve added the blue lines and text; everything else was there to start with.)
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The thing labeled the wetwell is the suppression pool.? It’s also sometimes called “the torus” because that’s what it’s shaped like: a big doughnut.? (There aren’t two of them, in the diagram; the doughnut goes all the way around the bottom of the containment structure and you’re seeing a slice through the middle.)? The doughnut is partially filled with water.

So there was an explosion in the doughnut, and it put a hole in the doughnut.? We know this (even though they couldn’t get in there to look at it) because right after the explosion, the pressure in the doughnut dropped from pressurized conditions down to the same as outside.? At the same time, all the gases stored in the doughnut appear to have gone out to the atmosphere in a big puff.? This is the best explanation for the spike in radiation levels right after the explosion; all those gases were rushing out at once.? Once the gases had gone by, the dose rate from Unit 2 dropped back to a much lower rate.? So it seems nearly definite that there’s a hole in the doughnut, and also some path for gases to get out of the room the doughnut is in and go outside.? We don’t know if the hole was in the top of the doughnut (in which case the water is still in there, and only gases can get out) or if it was low enough that the water can all run out of the doughnut and into the doughnut room.? We’ll assume the latter, because that’s slightly more inconvenient.

What’s the big deal with the hole?? Well, right now, one thing – and if things keep going wrong, maybe two more things.? First (right now), the suppression pool normally helps to reduce pressure in the containment structure.? But if there’s a hole in the bottom then it doesn’t work anymore. This means they would probably have to do more venting of those slightly radioactive gases than they would otherwise – and also, because there’s also a path for gases to leave the doughnut room, some venting is happening on its own.? Second (future), the hole means that the containment structure is no longer water-tight – and the hole is near the bottom.? So far the seawater cooling in Unit 2 is just inside the steel pressure vessel.? But Unit 1 and Unit 3 also needed seawater in the space between the pressure vessel and the containment structure in order to cool off faster.? They’re considering the same thing for Unit 2, and a hole in the bottom of the containment structure would mean they need a lot more seawater.? (If you look at the diagram, the seawater will still work.? You just have to fill the room the doughnut is in before the level will rise in the containment structure.)? Third (future), the hole means that the containment structure is no longer radioactivity-tight – and the hole is near the bottom.? The room where the doughnut is (also sealed up, and made of concrete) has now got coolant and steam in it, both of which are slightly radioactive.? And in our worst-case scenario from before where the fuel gets all the way to melting, it’s possible (but unlikely) that some of that melted fuel could get down into the doughnut room.? It still won’t leave that room (the room is also made of thick concrete, and it’s below ground level), but it’s a much messier cleanup.

7462= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:50:00

我感觉真正在测辐射量的没有几个,目前还真的只有霓虹方面发布的信息。

说要去实地测量的,只有AIEA一个,也是从周五晚上开始,也没那么快出数据。

各国有没有偷偷掐表就不知道了,反正世卫也好,法国提升评级的机构也好,还是报告很惊悚的那个机构也好,都是在霓虹数据上做的评估。

至于一批批去解决反应堆问题的专家和大兵,万分觉得他们还在等入境。= =


7463= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:51:00

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Thursday, March 17, 2011

Things get worse before they get better (PART 3)

Fukushima One Unit 4?

What’s that?? You thought Unit 4 wasn’t having trouble, the other day?? So did everyone.?

The last we heard from Unit 4, they had a fire at about 2 PM PDT Monday 3/14 (6 AM JT Tuesday 3/15) that was in the reactor building and lasted just over two hours.? They then had a hydrogen explosion and second fire starting around 5PM PDT Monday 3/14 (9 AM JT Tuesday 3/15), lasting around 4 hours.? This explosion and second fire happened quite close in time to the explosion in Unit 2, so the dose effects from the two are hard to separate out.? At the time, nothing important was thought to be affected.

Since then, we’ve gotten more (contradictory) information on what happened.? There are claims that the first fire was caused by an oil leak in the cooling water pump that was cooling the fuel pool (but later information indicates this may not be it after all).? They’re also not sure if this fire actually went out completely and a new second fire started, or if it was actually the same fire that just died down for a while and then flared up again.? Either way:? Apparently the water levels in the fuel pool at Unit 4 had dropped, and that fuel had been exposed to air, and the cladding did its thing where it rusted into hydrogen.? So the second fire (or first fire flaring up again, or something) set off the hydrogen and blew a couple of holes in the top of the building.? The holes are not right over the fuel pool, which turns out to be both good and bad (more on this in a minute).

Fuel pools!? Every so often when you are running a reactor you have to shut it down and put fresh fuel in it.? The fuel coming out is called “spent fuel”. [***] When you take used fuel out of a reactor, it’s radioactive, and if a worker were to get near it while it was in air, that worker would get irradiated.? So when spent fuel is stored, it’s stored underwater in a pool.? The water stops the radiation from getting to any workers standing outside the water.? The water serves a second purpose, which is to keep that zirconium cladding from being in air for too long.? Prolonged exposure, especially at high temperatures, can cause that rusting (which leads to hydrogen).? The third purpose of the water is to keep the fuel cool.? The fuel doesn’t need nearly as much cooling as the fuel in a reactor, but it still needs some cooling.
So then they had a third fire or maybe still the same fire, sometime before 10 PM PDT Monday 3/14 (4 PM JT Tuesday 3/15). [5]? This third fire lasted until 11 PM PDT Monday 3/14 (5 PM JT Tuesday 3/15) and was (by many reports) in or near the fuel pool.? It’s thought that the cladding on the fuel caught on fire.? (Hey, did you know that fire is basically just very very quickly accelerated rusting (oxidation)? [6] The fuel itself can’t catch on fire, because it’s in ceramic form – already an oxide.)? This fire possibly damaged the cladding, though (since the cladding can rust), and may have caused the fuel to fail (get holes in the cladding).

So somehow (and we don’t yet know how), the water level in the fuel pool at Unit 4 dropped below the top of the fuel, and is staying low.? This is not going to lead to a meltdown like if the fuel were in a reactor core – the fuel is spaced far enough apart that it won’t get nearly as hot.? But because the water is gone, direct radiation is really bad in the immediate area.? So you can’t just walk up and put a hose in the pool.? In fact, radiation levels near Unit 4 are high enough that it’s making it hard for workers to be at Units 1 through 3, which is where they really need to be.? They have reduced the number of workers on site to 50 at a time, and workers work for a while and then leave and more workers come in so that nobody gets too high a dose.? And when the radiation surges, they have to remove everyone for a time and then bring them back.

Not to mention:? the fires keep flaring up again.

So they have to solve the issue at Unit 4’s fuel pool so they can keep shutting down Units 1 through 3.? Solution to both the radiation and the fires:? get more water in there!? But how?? Well, the fuel pool is located inside the concrete reactor building, but on the top floor.? And the holes from the explosion took out the steel shed on the roof but also poked holes in the top of the concrete reactor building.? So at first they thought the could fly water up in helicopters and drop it in the holes.? But the holes aren’t right over the fuel pool, which makes it less likely the water will get there (boo!).? On the other hand, if the holes *were* right over the fuel pool, the radiation levels in the space where the helicopter needs to fly would be so high that the pilot couldn’t fly over the roof (yay for holes being elsewhere!).? The last status update I saw [3], they were working on ways to feed a giant firehose up into the hole on the roof and over to the fuel pool.

Is this radiation from the fuel pool headed downwind towards the public?? Some of it, yes.? But not nearly most of it.? The vast majority of the radiation from the fuel is direct radiation, which is like rays coming out from the fuel.? (Actually, sunburn is caused by direct radiation from the sun, so you can think of it exactly like that.)? As long as the fuel doesn’t move, you just have to stay far enough away from it (the edge of the plant would be enough).? But if the fuel has failed, then it is giving off a small amount of radioactive gas, and this gas (like the gas from failed fuel in Units 1 through 3) would go airborne.

Worst case here:? there may be some sort of structural damage to the fuel pool (either because of the earthquake, or the hydrogen explosion) that cracked the pool so that it won’t stay full.? If they can put water in it faster than it drains out, they’ll be fine.? Structural damage has not yet been confirmed, though – it could just be that the water boiled off.

One more note:? You may have seen a report that the U.S. NRC Chairman says the Unit 4 pool is completely dry, and as a result the NRC recommended the evacuation of all Americans within 50 miles. [4]? Not everyone agrees that the pool is empty – TEPCO (the utility company that owns the reactors) and the Japanese regulatory agency disagree. [7]

When they had problems in Unit 4’s fuel pool, they started monitoring the others.? Unit 3 also has a low water level and they are working to get more water into that fuel pool as well.? Units 5 and 6 have a higher temperature in the fuel pool than normal, but it will take several days before the temperature is high enough to boil off the water.? Units 1 and 2 don’t have data yet, so we don’t know.

7464= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:51:00

Not gonna lie: It’s bad – not as bad as Chernobyl, but worse than Three Mile Island

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囧,XQ也是这个观点啊,我觉得这已经够严重了==

为什么今天东电会自己说出不排除封堆的可能性,我还觉得奇怪呢


7465==发表于:2011/3/19 0:52:00

至于一批批去解决反应堆问题的专家和大兵,万分觉得他们还在等人境。= =

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觉得不会

这种时候一般都直接包机过去了

然后第一时间停在特殊跑道上,那里肯定不会安排普通民航的


7466= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:52:00

那啥反正都在脑内了,那我也脑内下吧

霓虹政府那是绝对不能全信的,不过东京的辐射量估计有出入问题还是不太大

目前,只是目前

那啥,要是东京的数值都惊悚到各国知道故意不公布的那么糟的话

从东京数值异常那天起每天撤离东京回各国的人还是挺多,那检测出来有问题的应该不只报道那几件

各国对从东京归国的人员核辐射监察力度应该也会更大


7467= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:52:00

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Thursday, March 17, 2011

Things get worse before they get better (PART 4)

Fukushima One Unit 3?

Unit 3 right now looks like a combination of all the other units.

The fuel and pressure vessel are in the same state as Unit 1:? “not worse”, which is what we expect right now.? They’re continuing to cool the Unit 3 reactor with seawater.

But there are two new things in Unit 3 that are similar to developments in Unit 2 and Unit 4.

Thing One: JAIF seems to think there’s reason to suspect the concrete containment structure has got a leak in it.? So where did the hole come from?? I don’t know yet; I’m still trying to find out.? My best guess is that it’s one of two things:? either the previous hydrogen explosion in the metal shed on top of the reactor building was worse than they thought, or Unit 3 had a second hydrogen explosion similar to Unit 2’s suppression pool explosion.? The first case would be better: the damage would be at the top of the containment structure, and in that case anything leaking out would be radioactive gases, which would be the same stuff as those planned ventings they are doing in Unit 1.? The second case would mean the damage would be at the bottom of the containment structure.? Refer to the earlier discussion for Unit 2 to find out why the location makes a difference.

Thing Two:? The water level in the fuel storage pool is low, like in Unit 4.? As I mentioned up there, they are trying to get water into it.


So yeah, that does sound much worse than the other day.

Yeah, it is.? Remember my worst-case prediction from yesterday?? I just didn’t have enough imagination.? I didn’t expect any problems with the fuel pools.? (No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!)? But it’s still not panic time, people!? No one in the US is in any danger at all.? The public near the reactors in Japan will probably get a dose, yes – but from everything I’m reading, I currently expect that dose to be way under anything that would cause lasting health effects, and certainly not to the level of radiation sickness.? It’s the workers who are bearing the worst of it; conditions there at the plant keep changing rapidly, and the dose rate there on the site is going up and down but is high enough that they generally can’t work for long.? [worker limit; health effects]

I hope none of the workers will get exposed over that limit, but it could happen.

Are there any silver linings here?? Is *anything* going right?

Sure!? For one, as of 3 AM PDT on Wed 3/16, they were in the process of hooking up a temporary power cable from off-site so that the plant can run off of that instead of running diesel generators all the time. [4] This should let a lot of the bigger, higher-capacity systems start running. This will be the first time they will have off-site power since the earthquake.



Can you give a quick status update on some of the other things you mentioned in your last post (radiation levels, for one)?

Yes – but I’m already very late with this post, and events are (again) overtaking me; I’ll post this and then come back and update.


7468= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:53:00

觉得不会

这种时候一般都直接包机过去了

然后第一时间停在特殊跑道上,那里肯定不会安排普通民航的

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不是啊,周四米国派过去的450壮士以及7专家,MS被拒了?


7469= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:54:00

其实很简单,霓虹肯定出于安稳民众的原因虽然不太可能会作假但是会找各种解释让情况听起来没那么可怕

高卢人也好美国人也好媒体也好,反正这事和他们关系不大,往恐怖里说随时准备最坏状况里最坏状况发生

那么我们就只需要取他们的中值既不要太乐观也别太绝望就好了


7470= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:55:00

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文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 1)

[[The following, in its entirety, is a post I made on Facebook at about 12:30am PDT on Wednesday, March 16, 2011.? Subsequent to that post, many people clamored for me to share it publicly.? I have now done so.? The only changes made were to clean up a couple of typos (spelling / formatting errors, not factual errors).

Updates to the post will also be made on this blog.? At no time will old information be silently changed; I pledge I will always leave up what I originally posted along with any newer corrections.]]

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[Fairly current as of about noonish Pacific time March 15; events since then are sort of haphazardly incorporated.? I'll update as I get the chance, but right now it's bedtime.]

Okay, kids.

This post is open to friends-of-friends.? Feel free to repost if needed, but I don’t really want to open myself up to a wave of comments by strangers alleging this was payback for Pearl Harbor.? (SERIOUSLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE.)

If you don’t know me or my background, here you go:? I’m a nuclear engineer.? I don’t do any work with power plants – I work with other facilities.? But I did study this stuff in school, and I can try to explain it.? If you want an expert, you need to be talking to someone who worked on safety systems for BWRs (boiling water reactors).? (I have lots of friends who are experts like that and I hope they will correct me if I am wrong here.)

This post is written for people who don’t know anything about nuclear reactors. ?I have sacrificed detail to provide simple explanations!? Not everything here is accurate to the last inch, because I wanted you to be able to actually read the thing.? It’s accurate enough for understanding, I think.? I’m happy to hear suggestions for how to make it better.

The post is also long.? Sorry.

For those of you with short attention spans, I’m gonna get the FAQ stuff out up front, and then provide the long meaty detail stuff down below.


1.????? I live on the West Coast.? Am I in danger?

No.? Absolutely not.

You won’t even notice except that everyone will keep talking about it for ages, and it’ll take us even longer to get off coal and oil and natural gas because people will be afraid of nuclear power again.? Go outside, get some sunshine (or rain, depending), be grateful for the fact that your city isn’t completely destroyed in an earthquake or a tsunami, hug your loved ones, and then find a way to donate to the relief efforts.

You might get cancer years from now, but it won’t be from this.? It’ll be from smoking or sun damage or plastics or those horrible processed foods with the carcinogens you keep eating.

2.????? But I saw a fallout map on the internet, labeled “Australian Radiation Services” or “U.S. NRC”!

It’s a hoax.? A really, really mean one.? See http://www.blogotariat.com/node/211958 for one of the best summaries I’ve found.

3.????? Even if the reactor has a meltdown?? The media keeps saying we’re headed for a meltdown.? Isn’t that a very very bad thing?

Not necessarily.? “Meltdown” is a very broad term – it applies to a range of conditions.? “Meltdown” is basically any time that the fuel gets hot enough that the cladding (the metal wrapper that holds the fuel in place) gets holes in it.? But “meltdown” could mean just one teeny spot on one single fuel pin (the cladding starts to fail at about 2200 degrees F) all the way up to the entire reactor core in a liquid pool on the bottom of the pressure vessel (the fuel itself melts at about 5000 degrees F).? The media seems to think it’s that whole-core thing.? But that isn’t going to happen.

So far they’ve had a partial failure of some of the fuel pins in two of the reactor units, and that’s about where it’s expected to stay.? It may turn out that a third reactor unit also had a partial failure of fuel pins.? This is a sad situation – we try not to have fuel failures, because it’s a giant hassle – but it’s not by itself a dangerous one.? It’s very important to remember that these fuel pins are sealed inside a giant steel pressure vessel, which itself is sealed inside a giant concrete containment structure (you may also hear this called the “drywell”).? Even if the core *did* melt all the way down, either one of those two things on its own would keep the radiation from the melted fuel from getting to the public.


7471= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:56:00

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文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 2)

4.????? But Chernobyl released lots of radiation!

This isn’t like Chernobyl.? You can read why here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110312/sc_livescience/chernobylscaledisasterveryunlikelyinjapanexpertssay
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576198421680697248.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2011/0313/Japan-s-nuclear-crisis-and-Chernobyl-key-differences

Short version:
-???????? Chernobyl used a different kind of fuel, and its fuel caught on fire and the ash went everywhere in a great cloud that lasted for months in affected areas.? That can’t happen here; for one the fuel can’t catch on fire, so no ash, and for two, any radiation release would be in gaseous form and the cloud would pass over affected areas in hours.
-???????? Chernobyl didn’t have a containment structure.? These reactors do.

This is more like Three Mile Island, if you insist on picking an accident for comparison.

5.????? But Three Mile Island was terrible!

Three Mile Island a) didn’t kill anyone, b) didn’t injure anyone, and c) only released a very small amount of radioactive material, mostly gases that went harmlessly into the atmosphere.? (Seriously!? Read about it!)? [1]

During Three Mile Island about half of the core (including fuel) melted and fell to the bottom of the pressure vessel [1].? But it didn’t melt through the steel pressure vessel – in fact it only melted about 5/8 of an inch through the wall.[2]? (A typical pressure vessel is ~6 inches thick.)? And even if it had, it would have had to get through like 6 feet of concrete after that.? (We design it that way.)

Right now our best evidence indicates that yes, a small portion of the cores in Fukishima One Unit 1 and Unit 3 have failed (although we don’t think the fuel has melted, just the cladding), and maybe Unit 2 also.? But it’s thought that the majority of the fuel didn’t melt, and that the cleanup will probably be less difficult than Three Mile Island.

6.????? But the media says they released radiation, and there’s all these numbers floating about radiation levels, and they evacuated everyone who lives near the reactor.? Can you put this in context?

There were several small, planned releases of slightly radioactive gases.? Each of these radioactivity releases to the environment at Fukushima so far has produced about the level of one dental X-ray if you were standing right over the release and breathing in really hard.? If you weren’t standing right over the release, the particular kind of radioactivity released would have nearly all gone away before the vented gases reached you on the ground.? Even the people on the ship that sailed right into the plume only got a maximum dose about equal to a month of background radiation [6] – that is, the natural radiation you get from living on Earth.

The most recent explosion at Fukushima One Unit 2 and near-simultaneous fire and Fukushima One Unit 4 (about 6 am and 9 am Japan time March 15) did release a one-time gust of radioactive gases that was larger.? Radiation levels at the edge of the nuclear plant briefly spiked to 8217 microSieverts per hour. [10]? How bad is this?? 8217 microSieverts is about six eight [***] times the allowable annual exposure for a member of the public in the U.S.? It would take standing in this kind of radiation for 24 hours before you would be considered to have radiation sickness (with a total dose of 200 milliSievert). [9]? But 8217 microSieverts was the peak of the spike, the total spike lasted less than three hours, and dose rates at the edge of the plant were at 489.8 microSieverts/hr as of 4:30pm Japan time March 15.? (This means you would get your annual dose if you stood there for an hour two hours [***].? Perspective: This is about the same as smoking 350 20 [****] packs of cigarettes in a year [12], or living in Denver for a year [15].)

[***]? Corrected 3:21PM PDT on 3/17:
The allowable annual limit for a member of the public in the US is 100 mrem or 1 milliSievert [A], so the dose of 8217 microSieverts is about eight times that, not six.? And 489.8 microSieverts an hour is ~0.5 milliSieverts/hr, so two hours.

[****]? Corrected and clarified 3:44 PM on 3/17 due to questions in the comments:
There are two ways to make the conversion to "equivalent cigarettes" - one based purely on radiation, and one based on health risks (including the health risks of non-radioactive things in the cigarettes).? Based purely on radiation: According to [B], 1.5 packs of cigarettes per day for a year is equal to 1300 mrem (from radioactive lead and polonium in the cigarettes).? At 20 cigarettes per pack, each cigarette is 1300 / 365 / 1.5 / 20 = 0.118 mrem per cigarette.? Thus 490 microSieverts, which is equal to 49 mrem, would be 412 cigarettes (~20 packs).? Based on health risks, however:? According to [C], which compares the risk of dying from fatal cancer due to radiation exposure and the risk of dying from lung cancer due to smoking, 10 mrem of radiation is equal to 1.4 cigarettes, so 49 mrem = 7 cigarettes.?? Either way, I had a major math error!

They evacuated people because it was safer that way – just like we evacuate people during tornado and hurricane warnings.? No exposure to the public was expected, but better safe than sorry!

7.????? But something exploded!? Three times! And it knocked down buildings!

First: There is no way for a nuclear power reactor to explode like an atomic bomb.? You just can’t.? Even if you tried.? Explosions can happen at nuclear plants, yes – but they are either mechanical explosions (like pressure building up in a confined space until it pops) or chemical explosions (like a fire setting off a diesel storage tank, or a bunch of hydrogen ending up somewhere that there’s a bunch of oxygen and a spark setting it off like the Hindenberg).? The explosions at Fukushima were not caused by radioactive material.

Now: let’s take a look at what we’ve got right now.? Here’s a typical media graphic (thank you, Daily Mail): http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/15/article-1366341-0B2D7BFA00000578-51_964x678.jpg

Here’s what you need to know:? The fuel is in a steel pressure vessel.? The pressure vessel is in a veeeeeeery thick concrete-and-rebar structure called the containment.? The containment is located in a reactor building, which is another building made of concrete and rebar (though not quite as thick).? On *top* of the reactor building is an additional structure made of steel frame with sheet steel walls.? This structure houses a fuel transfer crane used when they change the fuel in the reactor.

What you see in the picture above is the reactor buildings for Unit 1 through Unit 4 of Fukushima One.? The explosions in Unit 1 and Unit 3 were hydrogen explosions that each happened in the fuel transfer crane areas, blowing the sheet steel off the walls.? Since that structure isn’t designed to withstand explosions, they look pretty rough.? What you can’t see in the photos: the pressure vessels are just fine and the containments are just fine.? (Those structures *are* designed to withstand explosions.)? And the reactor buildings under the steel frames look okay.

Unit 2 had a hydrogen explosion also – but this one was in a thing called a suppression pool, outside the main containment structure but inside the reactor building. ?Officials suspect that a small portion of the pressure vessel may have gotten damaged, but this is still unconfirmed.

Unit 4 had a fire inside the reactor building but outside the containment structure.

So contrary to the captions in the photo: no reactor has exploded and no reactor has caught fire.? (Grrrr, bad reporting, Daily Mail!)

By contrast, here’s a picture of an oil refinery in Japan: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/j16_RTR2JQR2.jpg? (It’s still on fire, as far as I know.)


7472==发表于:2011/3/19 0:57:00

= =2011-3-19 0:41:00

米帝东岸时差党表示,媒体说西岸淫民的核恐惧症爆发鸟,真是惟恐天下不乱

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西海岸表示,目前没觉得很混乱

大家都在安排spring break,有些照旧会去coast玩

我这正值雨季,老美们依旧不用伞,潇洒得很,好象很喜欢nature shower

这边的日本学生也很淡定


7473= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:57:00

其实很简单,霓虹肯定出于安稳民众的原因虽然不太可能会作假但是会找各种解释让情况听起来没那么可怕

高卢人也好美国人也好媒体也好,反正这事和他们关系不大,往恐怖里说随时准备最坏状况里最坏状况发生

那么我们就只需要取他们的中值既表太乐观也别太绝望就好了

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排这个

不过还是想看数据



7474= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:57:00

关于作者:

I have a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley.? I am currently employed as a nuclear engineer.

文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 3)

8.????? What’s the worst thing that could happen?? What about the most likely?

My short-version prediction: The fuel in Units 1 and 3 of Fukushima One have been damaged, and the status of the fuel in Unit 2 is unknown.? Fuel in all three of these units could melt further, but the radioactivity will remain contained by the containment structures.? Small amounts of radioactive steam and gases have already been released, and more small releases could occur. ?Right now I think 150 people are being monitored for radiation exposure and 23 have been sent for decontamination – but that includes workers.? (Can’t remember a source; would appreciate one.)? Worker injuries (there have already been 15 injuries) will be due to explosions, not radiation.? No harm will come to members of the public.? No harm will come to the environment, except for any little algae and bacteria critters caught up in the seawater they are using for emergency cooling.

The worst thing that could happen is getting a hole in one of the containment structures.? That has possibly happened in Fukushima One Unit 2, due to the hydrogen explosion there.? But radiation levels near this unit fell after an initial spike – which is what you would expect to happen if the suppression pool exploded but the containment held – so their guess is that if there is a hole, it’s actually in the pressure vessel and not the containment structure.? (It’s also expected to be a small hole.)? If there were a hole in the containment structure, ??radioactivity carried in liquid coolant could leak out of the hole and into the surrounding reactor building.? Radioactive gases could leak out of the hole and up into the atmosphere.? It’s important to emphasize that the only members of the public who would be at risk in this situation would a) be downwind, and b) probably not get a dose that would kill them or cause cancer - probably a dose closer to 2 or 3 CT scans put together.? I’m not a health physicist, though, so I could be wrong.

There is one complicating factor, though.? If radiation levels from a unit with a hole in the containment structure are too high, it could mean workers trying to make sure the other units at Fukushima One stay shut down would have to evacuate or risk radiation poisoning by staying to operate the reactors.? Probably if this happened they would rotate the workers in on short shifts to minimize exposure.? If workers were completely evacuated, Units 1 and 3 would probably melt down.? Again, as long as the main containment didn’t get compromised, there wouldn’t be a major release of radioactivity.

9.????? That sounds pretty bad, still.

It is.? It’s never good when people get hurt.? And I bet some investors are going to be mad.? And it’s going to take some work to clean everything up and repair it.? But listen:? this is not the thing that needs your fear and attention right now.
Here’s some perspective: There are over 10,000 missing and presumed dead from the quake and tsunami. [13] Over 3600 people are confirmed as having died in this quake, so far – more than 9/11. Property damage is estimated to be as much as $100 billion, according to some reports. [14]? And aftershocks keep happening.

Quit freaking out about the reactors; freak out about the dead and the wounded.? Freak out about the towns wiped off the coastline.? Get out there and do what you can: donate money, donate time, let Japan know we support them.? And spread good information, not fear.

10.? Okay, I’m gonna quit reading now.? That was already too long.

Sure, no problem.? But forward this link to all your non-sciency friends:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576198421680697248.html

And forward this to your sciency friends:
http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/all-right-its-time-to-stop-the-fukushima-hysteria/

If you want more details, though…

11.? Well, okay.? First, I can’t keep all the plants and stuff straight.? Where is the problem?

There are two nuclear plants that we’re primarily concerned with right now: Fukushima Dai-ichi (Fukushima One) and Fukushima Dai-ni (Fukushima Two).? We’ll use the Americanization of these names here because it’ll be a bit easier for English-speakers to keep straight.? Along with a third plant called Onagawa, these two plants were the closest to the epicenter, and are also near the coast.

Fukushima One has six separate nuclear reactors (we call them “units”).? They are numbered: Unit 1 through Unit 6.? Fukushima Two has four units (predictably, Unit 1 through Unit 4).

At the time of the earthquake, Fukushima One Units 1, 2, and 3 were operating.? Fukushima One Units 4, 5, and 6 were shut down for routine maintenance and were not operating. ?Fukushima Two Units 1 through 4 were all operating.
As of the last update I saw ([4], 7 pm Japan time March 15):

  • Fukushima One Unit 1 through Unit 3 are pretty bad off and not completely out of the woods.? These reactors will not be usable again when this is all over, but we don’t expect more than partial melting of the cores and limited releases of radioactive gases (like in Three Mile Island).
  • Fukushima One Unit 4 had a hydrogen explosion and subsequent fire in the spent fuel pool and a fire in the reactor building, but the reactor is just fine and was never in danger.? Also, the reactor currently has no fuel in it.
  • Fukushima One Units 5 and 6 are just fine and were never in danger.
  • Radiation levels at the border of Fukushima One were at 489.8 microSieverts/hr as of 4:30pm Japan time March 15.? As stated above, this would give you your annual dose as a member of the public in one hour, and is about equivalent to smoking 350 20 packs of cigarettes in a year [Corrected 3:44PM on 3/17; see explanation above.]
  • As for the four units at Fukushima Two: they are all safely shut down.? Unit 3 was never damaged and had a normal shutdown.? Units 1, 2, and 4 are not damaged; originally there were problems with the emergency cooling system, but these problems were fixed quite quickly, and the units are shut down and there is no further danger.? Even though these plants did not have to release any radiation, radiation levels were slightly higher than normal at the border of Fukushima Two (13.7 microSieverts/hr as of 12:00pm Japan time March 15) – perhaps because Fukushima One is nearby?

7475= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:58:00

预计:3月18日至21日,日本核电站核泄漏污染物首先向福岛核电站南部的北太平洋扩散,随后折向东北方向,扩散到日本以东的北太平洋区域,对我国无影响。

这里写了19、20日东京、仙台、福岛的风向

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作为和风向非常相关专业的人来发个言

我个人分析这个季节按风向来说对TC真的不会有太大影响

西风带系统典型的就是西北风,也就是和LS说的一样吹向福岛以南的太平洋方向

然后冷空气来前南风加强,就是会影响福岛以北地区,棒子国才应该担心

但是到了夏天副热带高压北抬东风开始盛行就不好说了,所以希望别拖太久


7476= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:58:00

关于作者:

I have a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley.? I am currently employed as a nuclear engineer.

文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 4)

12.? Can you explain – briefly and in plain English, please – how this kind of reactor works?

There are a lot of people who have done this for me.? See the following links:
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/12/nuclear-energy-insid.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_Water_Reactor_Safety_Systems
http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/all-right-its-time-to-stop-the-fukushima-hysteria/

My own simplified recap:

For this reactor, the fuel is uranium oxide, which is a ceramic form (one report I saw indicates that one unit might have MOX fuel, which also contains plutonium oxide, but I can’t confirm that).? It’s shaped into mostly-cylindrical pellets that are about as big as the first knuckle on your pinky finger.

The fuel is contained inside cladding.? Cladding is a metal tube, made of zirconium in this kind of reactor, that surrounds a stack of fuel pellets.? It’s capped at both ends so the pellets are completely sealed inside, and it’s about as big around as your pinky finger but ~13 feet long.? Fuel pellets inside one piece of cladding = one fuel pin.

Fuel pins are held in a fuel assembly, which is a metal rack about 6 inches square by 13 feet long that keeps them in the right position.? Fuel assemblies are put into the reactor in another, bigger, rack to form the reactor core.

The reactor core sits down inside a big metal container called a pressure vessel.? It’s made of steel that’s ~6 inches thick.? The pressure vessel has pipes going in at the bottom where coolant comes in, and pipes going out at the top where steam goes out.? It’s also got some vents that only open when engineers tell them to (more on that later).

The coolant is regular water that moves past and through the reactor core (using the spaces in between fuel pins).? Yep! ?Regular water.? It’s very, very pure to try to remove any minerals or anything that’s not H2O.? The water never touches the fuel – remember the fuel is sealed inside cladding – so there are no radioactive materials “leaking” into the coolant unless the cladding is damaged.? The water does get exposed to radiation, yes.? But that doesn’t make the water radioactive.? In order for a thing to become radioactive when it’s exposed to radiation, it has to “activate”, and only specific materials can activate.? H2O can’t activate[*], so the H2O going out of the reactor is just plain H2O.? Now, there’s always trace amounts of stuff in the water that *can* activate (like boron), so the coolant is very very slightly radioactive.
[*] Note that this is a simplification.? Oxygen-16 can activate into nitrogen-16, which has a halflife of 7 seconds.? So basically: if you take a cup of water out of a BWR and then sing “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star” it’s pretty much not radioactive anymore.

The reactor works because the reactor core gets hot, and the heat boils the coolant (water), and the steam goes out the top and into the turbine building where it turns a turbine, and the moving turbine runs a generator, and yay electricity!? When the steam goes out the back end of the turbine, it gets condensed back into water and pumped back into the bottom of the reactor to be boiled again in a closed loop.? If you’ve ever seen a tea kettle with the little whirligig on the spout, that’s exactly what happens, only you it’s like you reroute the steam back into the bottom of the kettle.

So we have the reactor core and the coolant inside the steel pressure vessel.? The pressure vessel sits inside a giant thing called the containment structure, made of concrete and lots of steel rebar.? It’s usually 4-8 feet thick.? (That’s a lot, y’all.)? The containment structure is completely sealed up; nothing (not even air) goes in or out unless they intentionally open a hatch.? (The coolant goes in and out through pipes that snake through the containment structure; they are big and huge pipes.)

Now, what makes the fuel hot?? Short answer: Uranium and plutonium in the fuel can fission (break apart), and when they fission, they produce moving particles (neutrons and fission fragments), and the moving particles hit other things, and the hitting-things produces heat.? There are two things that make uranium and plutonium fission: they do it spontaneously at a low level (because they are naturally radioactive [**]), and they do it when neutrons hit them in just the right way.? A fission chain reaction works like this: since fissions create neutrons, and neutrons can create more fissions, if you set everything up just right, you can get a reaction that’s self-sustaining.? That’s what makes a reactor run.? To stop that reaction, you do something that makes the neutrons not hit the fuel as much – in this case, you put control rods in the reactor and the control rods sort of soak up the neutrons that are whizzing around and the whole thing slows down.
[**] Although note! Not all radioactive elements fission; fission is just one way to be radioactive.

Let’s recap for just a second at this point:? There are three physical things standing between the radioactive fuel and someone at the main gate of the plant.? The first is the fuel cladding on each of the fuel pins, made of zirconium.? The second is the pressure vessel, an 6-inch thick steel container.? The third the containment structure, a 4- to 8-foot thick construction made of concrete and rebar.? All of these are air-tight and radioactivity-tight.? There is also the reactor building, also made of concrete, but this one isn’t air-tight.


7477= =发表于:2011/3/19 0:59:00

关于作者:

I have a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley.? I am currently employed as a nuclear engineer.

文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 5)

13.? So what happened in the accident?

This description is (generally) of Fukushima One Units 1 through 3.? Fukushima Two Units 1 through 4 started out the same, but they were able to restore cooling much earlier.? (I don’t think they lost their backup diesel generators at all.)
First, the control rods automatically dropped into the core of the operating units in what’s called a scram.? The control rods went all the way in, and brought the fission reaction in the reactor screeching to a low level.? [Safety system #1 (control rods): worked as designed.]? At this point the reactors were in “hot shutdown” – the reactor was producing somewhere around 4-7% of full power, and the temperature of the coolant was still at normal operating levels (about 550 F).? The power level in the reactor will normally coast down from there over the next couple days until the power level is around 0.5% of full power.? (You can’t get it to go lower than that without pulling all the fuel out, remember, because the fuel does do some spontaneous fissions.)? This point is called “cold shutdown” – when the temperature of the coolant is less than boiling (212 F).? When you’re in cold shutdown, you almost don’t need to run the cooling system anymore.

During either kind of shutdown, the fuel is still producing heat.? You have to keep the cooling system going the whole time to keep pulling heat away from the fuel so that the fuel doesn’t overheat and damage itself.? BUT you just shut down your reactor that produces electricity, so how are you running your pumps?? Answer: Pumps are usually run using power from the offsite power grid, not your onsite reactor.

It’s expected in earthquakes (and other accidents) that the power grid might get damaged, and that offsite power being supplied to the power station will stop.? So there are backup diesel generators to run everything you need to run onsite: pumps, valves, control panels, etc.? It appears that after the earthquake, the connection to the Japanese power grid dropped (as expected) when the tsunami washed away the power lines.? And the backup diesel generators kicked in. [Safety system #2 (backup diesel generators for cooling recirculation): worked as designed.]

But then after about an hour the diesel generators at Fukushima One failed, reportedly due to damage to the fuel supply from the tsunami.? [Safety system #2 (backup diesel generators for cooling recirculation): temporary problems due to MASSIVE TSUNAMI.]? This meant there was nothing to run the cooling system at Fukushima One Units 1, 2, and 3.? Heat began to build up in the reactors, and the heat boiled the coolant, and the coolant turned to steam, and the pressure began to build up in the pressure vessels.? Why is this a problem?? Two reasons:? one, the increase in pressure could eventually cause your pressure vessel and associated piping to give way (like a popping balloon), and two, fuel that’s not actually underwater gets hotter much faster and could get hot enough that it fails (gets holes in the cladding).? The more coolant that boils into steam, the more the coolant level drops (like boiling a pot of spaghetti), and eventually the reactor would boil dry if you didn’t stop it.? (And then you would melt your spaghetti, I mean fuel.)

This sort of event is also planned for: first, you have some time before things get really iffy (pressure too high or water level too low) during which you can restart cooling, and second, there are a bunch of other things you can do in the meantime.

One of them is you have things that can act as a heat sink – basically large pools of water.? However, they’re sort of one-time use; once you heat them up, you have to cool them down before you can use them again.? These were used and they worked.? [Safety system #3 (automatic depressurization system and isolation condensers): worked as designed.]

One of them is you can add more (cold) coolant while the system is at full pressure.? The pumps to do this run off of steam from the reactor (neat, right? The fact that the reactor is getting hotter automatically powers the thing you need to make it colder).? This ran just fine, and more coolant was put in.? [Safety system #4 (high pressure coolant injection system): worked as designed.]? There’s also a second (less powerful) system that puts more coolant in, that runs off of batteries.? They ran that too. ?[Safety system #5 (reactor core isolation cooling system): worked as designed.]? However, the control valves that this new coolant runs through work off of batteries.? After eight hours, the control valves lost power because the batteries ran out.? [Safety system #6 (battery-operated control valves for RCIC line): worked as designed to the end of design lifetime.]? Solution: replace the batteries!? But they ran through all the batteries they had, and were having problems getting more because of all the earthquake damage in surrounding regions.? Hours passed, during which the core kept heating up and coolant kept turning to steam.? Then they got a delivery of portable diesel generators and were able to start a different backup pumping system to top up the coolant in the core.

One of them is you can vent coolant into the space between the pressure vessel and the containment structure.? You open a hatch, and steam goes out, and yay!? Pressure reduced back to safe operating levels.? At this point the steam is still mostly just steam (only very slightly radioactive), because your fuel cladding is still intact.? It’s also trapped in the containment structure and hasn’t been released to the environment yet.? So they vented steam to the containment structure.? [Safety system #7 (pressure vessel venting): worked as designed.]

So there’s lots of stuff that was being done, to buy time to get the cooling recirculation working.? But the longer your reactor sits without cooling, the more you risk the water level dropping to uncover the fuel rods, and the more you risk those fuel rods overheating.? When your fuel rods get uncovered, two things can happen.? One, the cladding can fail – usually because it gets so hot that it can’t take the strain, and it splits open.? Two, even if the cladding doesn’t fail, the high temperatures and the steam can cause it to oxidize – basically, to rust – at an accelerated rate.? This is important because the oxidizing reaction takes H2O and turns it into oxygen (bound up in the zirconium oxide) and hydrogen.

And this is in fact what had happened, while they were sitting there with no power waiting on the delivery of new diesel generators – the cladding in some of the fuel rods failed, exposing the fuel, and the cladding started to oxidize, creating hydrogen.? [Safety system #8 (cladding): functioned as designed for a very long time and then conditions changed causing it to partially fail.]? Now the steam in the reactor was slightly more radioactive, because bits of the fuel were touching the steam, and particles could be picked up and carried with the steam.? But this wasn’t very much radioactivity (way below guidelines for exposures to the public), pressure in the pressure vessel was still rising, and the containment structure was still intact and airtight.? So they made the decision to continue to vent radioactive steam to the containment structure.? [Safety system #9 (containment structure): worked as designed.]

If you keep doing this, eventually pressure will also rise in the containment structure.? So you can vent the containment structure, too.? Many plants have a design where the containment structure can be vented into the reactor building that surrounds the containment, so that you are sequestering any radioactivity.? The reactor building isn’t airtight, but it’ll keep the vast majority of radioactive release from getting out to the environment.? So they vented radioactive steam to the reactor building.? [Safety system #10 (reactor building): worked as designed.]

But remember, the cladding rusting made hydrogen.? Hydrogen, you might recall, is flammable.? So the hydrogen went along with the steam, from the pressure vessel (which had no oxygen gas in it), to the containment structure (which had no oxygen gas in it), to the reactor building (which had normal air in it, and normal air contains oxygen gas).? And if a bunch of hydrogen ends up somewhere that there’s a bunch of oxygen, then it can go off like the Hindenberg (only smaller).

So the next thing that happened was there was a hydrogen explosion in the top of the reactor building for Units 1 and 3 – or rather, in the metal shed at the top of the reactor building, since the reactor building isn’t airtight and all the hydrogen rose.? The shed collapsed, releasing the small amounts of radioactive steam that had been vented there (and more impressively, explosion and loud noises and ooh fire and smoke!).? Important to note at this point: the pressure vessel and containment structure are still intact – there is no direct line from the fuel to the environment.? The only radioactivity that was released was the slightly radioactive steam that they previously chose to vent from the pressure vessel and containment.

At this point they chose to go with another option they had had all along.? This option, however, was sort of the last-choice option:? adding seawater to the pressure vessel, and if needed even filling the containment building structure with it.? This option was designed into the plant as yet another safety system, in case they ever had a situation where they needed mass amounts of coolant in a short time.? And it sure is working:? Units 1 and 3 have stable pressure as of this writing, and water levels appear to be about halfway up the fuel rods and rising; Unit 2 is slightly behind but also improving. ?[Safety system #11 (emergency seawater injection system): worked as designed.]? So why didn’t they do this from the start, or at least as soon as they got electricity back to run the pumps?? Because putting nasty, gummy seawater, with minerals and algae and who knows what else, into your nice clean shiny reactor is about like putting sugar in a car’s gas tank.? It’ll stop the car, alright – and then you’ll have a massive repair bill.? Units 1, 2, and 3 at Fukushima One will not run again unless most of the components of the reactor are replaced.


7478= =发表于:2011/3/19 1:00:00



= =2011-3-19 0:48:00
其实就拖了这么几天辐身寸量也没有特别的飙升来说,情况虽然不容乐观也并没有法国人说的那么绝望

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只是没升罢了,辐射不停就是越来越糟糕,毕竟这都是累积的
之前在30km的地方测量了数据,是说站六小时等于一年的辐射量,那一天就是4年,到现在已经几十年的量都下去了

7479= =发表于:2011/3/19 1:00:00

关于作者:

I have a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley.? I am currently employed as a nuclear engineer.

文章:(和上面哪个17号的不是同一篇,贴的时候我没注意顺序搞反了,这个是16号写的)

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Yet another Japan reactor post (PART 6)

14.? So why did I overhear you say to that person that this was actually a success for nuclear power?

First, at magnitude 9.0, this was one of the top ten strongest earthquakes in recorded history.? (Wow!)? The subsequent tsunamis, combined with the earthquake, make this one of the worst natural disasters EVER.? (Also Japan is apparently having a minor problem with a volcano, now.? Guys can’t catch a break.)

The reactors were designed 40 years ago, and in 2008 were certified for ground motion corresponding to about a magnitude 6.7 earthquake right under the plant.[11]? The reason this ground motion was selected was that Japan’s regulatory agency expected (rightly so!) that a ground motion stronger than that had a chance of happening only once in 10,000 years.? We lost the statistical gamble on that one.? But here’s the amazing thing:? the reactors did exactly what they were designed to do: and so did the other nuclear units all over Japan.? Only 7 of the 55 units in Japan [7] had any trouble shutting down, and they were the ones closest to the epicenter.? And the trouble wasn’t even in the reactor, or the containment structure, or the piping – all of these things performed exactly as designed!? The trouble was the tsunami that took out the fuel supply for the backup diesel generators.? Let’s recap with a statement from Steve at Neutron Economy: “What this proves is that in the very worst scenario - a once-in-a-lifetime earthquake beyond the design basis - that the systems can safely contain the integrity of the reactor, particularly with well-trained personnel”. [5]

Second, these plants are 40 years old.? They don’t incorporate all of the safety advances we’ve made since then.? As a matter of fact, I read that these particular plants were already planned to be replaced with newer designs – designs that have passive cooling and wouldn’t have required any electricity to cool the core at all.? (Can’t find the reference right now, sadly.)? The fact that a 40-yearold design survived as well as it did – with no health impact to the public expected – is pretty awesome.

Third, as Rod Adams points out [2], let’s keep this in context with regards to the damage to, and impacts of, the other energy sources in Japan.

Damage from the earthquake and tsunami includes a fire at an oil refinery that is still burning; breaks in a hydroelectric dam, explosions in natural gas systems, and tons and tons of battery and gasoline spills.? There is damage to the environment and danger to people from every form of energy that we use today.

So nuclear’s looking pretty good, right now.? Fear aside, I think we’re going to end up with the least damage to life, health, and the environment out of all the energy sources in use in Japan.? (Except solar.)

15.? Where can I get more information?

My best recommended sources for updates right now:

For commentary and help understanding the updates, go to:
http://www.mutantfrog.com/2011/03/15/radiation-safety-update/ - Dunno who this guy is, but he’s doing his research.

For forwarding to your non-sciency friends and relatives, use this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576198421680697248.html

And for forwarding to your sciency friends and relatives:
http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/all-right-its-time-to-stop-the-fukushima-hysteria/


7480= =发表于:2011/3/19 1:01:00



= =2011-3-19 0:48:00
其实就拖了这么几天辐身寸量也没有特别的飙升来说,情况虽然不容乐观也并没有法国人说的那么绝望

---------
只是没升罢了,辐射不停就是越来越糟糕,毕竟这都是累积的
之前在30km的地方测量了数据,是说站六小时等于一年的辐射量,那一天就是4年,到现在已经几十年的量都下去了